Item Cosmetic Transformation Spellcrafting

Discussion in 'Alliance Rules 2.0 Prerelease' started by Stana, Feb 10, 2019.

  1. Stana

    Stana Scholar Marshal

    Item Cosmetic Transformation states (paraphrased because it's long):

    Hello! I notice this ritual is not spellcraftable. Is that intended? I foresaw an incredible use when the ritual was announced to assist players via spellcraft.

    Case 1: The traveling player who cannot afford to ship their normal weapon/item/shield reps with them and have to borrow. My tag says "Black and White Kite Shield", but all this is available to borrow is a green coffin shield. That sucks, I can't use my fancy Stalwart Shield ritual this game.

    Case 2: My "Silver Longsword with Black Pommel" didn't pass safety check (oops!) or broke mid-game and I don't have materials to repair it. It was a latex sword that accidentally got laid against the heater in the room and melted, and I need to borrow a boffer loaner that is no longer silver. Etc, etc.

    Solution: Spellcraft an Item Cosmetic Transformation on it for 5 days to change the look (which has the benefit of stimulating the player economy for spellcraft usage and is a small treasure sink).

    I know some chapters make allowances for this for their traveling players, but that is not a guarantee and this opens up a lot of options and may promote traveling. Those chapters that want to can provide this via plot means still!

    If this needs to be a more formal proposal I can bubble up to my local owner!

    Text Suggestion:

    Spellcrafting Difficulty: 1 (Altering Size/Shape only)
    Spellcrafting Reagents: 1
    Spellcrafting Duration: 5 days
  2. Darkcrescent

    Darkcrescent Knight Chicago Staff Marshal

    I think this would be really cool. I know that is one of the downsides of traveling is not having your shield or weapon and needing to borrow one. While still needing to burrow a phys rep, being able to use your weapon in other chapters would be cool. I would presume it could work if you just had the items tag with.
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  3. Draven

    Draven Count Seattle Staff Marshal

    I see no reason for this not to be spellcraftable. The customer service options are great, with no real abuse possible.
  4. Kevar

    Kevar Fighter Marshal

    This would be extremely useful and give a nice ingame feel to a very out of game problem that we face when hosting travelers!
  5. Muir

    Muir Fighter

    It would be useful for travelling players needing a spare rep, but it would also be a logistical nightmare to keep track of what rep goes with what on a regular basis.

    Maybe better as an LCO plot effect than a standard ability of the spell.
  6. Draven

    Draven Count Seattle Staff Marshal

    That might be a chapter specific issue. In the PNW, we have Spellcrafting tags and Temporary Magic Item tags. No Logistics needed, just a description signed off by a Marshal.
  7. MaxIrons

    MaxIrons Squire Seattle Staff Oregon Staff Marshal

    A way to fix this would be to have the spell crafting requirements include attaching the MI tag to the item. (Not just putting a MI # on it)
  8. Muir

    Muir Fighter

    Might work. My concern logistically is mainly a lost/stolen item that's been cosmetically transformed not getting properly connected to the right tag if picked up.
  9. Stana

    Stana Scholar Marshal

    A stolen item specifically cannot be cosmetically transformed:
    The item in question should still have the requirement of the item number on it, always.
  10. Muir

    Muir Fighter

    Stana - not so much after theft but before.
  11. Stana

    Stana Scholar Marshal

    Yeah, I see what you're saying.

    The item should still have it's item number on it. Assuming all parties are following normal protocol for lost/stolen items it shouldn't be an issue, and a [Rogue/Plot/Logistics] marshal should be able to resolve it. I honestly don't foresee it being much more complicated than dealing with these things normally, and I believe the pros vastly outweigh the cons.
  12. MaxIrons

    MaxIrons Squire Seattle Staff Oregon Staff Marshal

    It's why I say specifically it should have the MI tag and Spellcraft tag attached. Then it has everything without question.
  13. Azmodeous

    Azmodeous Newbie Owner Seattle Staff

    Looking into the supposed customer service issue with Item Cosmetic Transformation and nowhere does it say that loaner weapons need to be transformed to be used, that is 100% a chapter decision. If it were spellcraftable, it would turn a player issue into a character issue by making them spend Reagents and High Magic points, which are IG resources, due to an OOG logistical problem. Any chapter can choose to let a traveling player, or one that forgot their rep but still has the tag, use a borrowed phys-rep and most will because, as you stated, it is a customer service issue. I hope this clears up any confusion as to why it is not spellcraftable.
  14. Draven

    Draven Count Seattle Staff Marshal

    Technically, the spellcraft cost doesn’t need to include any Reagents. While all rituals that can be currenty spellcrafted do have some Reagent cost, it’s not necessarily a rule that it has to.

    I think the idea about making it spellcraftable is to have a more thematic IG reason to change the way an item looks. Sure, we already have a solution for how these situations are handled via chapter discretion, but it doesn’t need to be the only one.

    Some people just like IG fixes vs OOG ones. :)
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  15. Lurin

    Lurin Duke

    Don't forget that changes have unintended effects, this would make it much easier to steal a magic item and cosmetic transform it immediately to use a different rep making it much harder to ferret out the culprit.
  16. Draven

    Draven Count Seattle Staff Marshal

    Sure, but we already have a lot of “I wanna be a jerk” options available in our game, and they’re not abused so horribly that we feel the need to remove them from the game.

    1) Amnesia
    2) Traps
    3) While spellcrafting this ritual would be fast, casting the ritual ain’t that long either, especially if you Quicken it.
    4) Destroy Magic
    5) Spirit Walk
    6) Transfer Enchantment
    7) Extend Battle Magic
    8) Circle Lock

    Heck, if I convince a character to take a full strength Endure Elements, I could render them unplayable for actual years by trapping them in a Limited Circle of Power unless rescued by Plot, or even just one year by Paralyzing them, Extending, and burying the body.

    Sure, a spellcraftable Cosmetic Item Transform would make thieving more possible, but that just makes Link/Lock/Item Recall more valuable.
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  17. Lurin

    Lurin Duke

    While all that is true, there is a real out of game aspect to most of the above, while grabbing and swapping out an MI rep means the PC in question is only revealed out of game to plot, so I'd argue there is a significantly lower social factor to that option as it's much more plausible to get away with it without the in game victim knowing out of game what happened.
  18. Draven

    Draven Count Seattle Staff Marshal

    What’s wrong with thievery being feasible in our game, exactly? It’s an aspect that’s actually not discouraged by our system, and there’s a section in our rulebook that specifically guides people on how to be good thieves.

    More importantly, as the ritual exists, the scenario you’re proposing will not be less likely simply by the ritual not being spellcraftable. It just means the thieves will either

    1) simply hide the rep somewhere it won’t be found until the Player makes the OOG decision to get the expensive rep back and forfeit the ability to identify the MI later

    2) make sure their plan involves enough time to cast the ritual, instead of Spellcraft it.

    3) I’ll agree that a spellcraftable option would make thievery more possible, sure. That’s not necessarily a bad thing. Consider how possible necromancy is via Life Leech. Giving thieves another tool shouldn’t be frowned upon, because thieves are a part of our world, too. Furthermore, it adds a great customer-service solution that’s IG. If your IG word fears this ritual will be used for can solve that IG by regulating who possesses this ritual.

    I don’t see a tool for thieves as a bad thing; I think it’s a catalyst for IG drama and conflict, and that’s actually a good thing.
  19. Lurin

    Lurin Duke

    Huh, actually looking into it deeper this is a moot point, I missed the line prevent said action from taking place already. Whoops ^.^

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