Racial Transformation

[Eldor]

"Any racial skills of the target’s current race are lost but skills specific to the new race may be gained in their place depending on the inner strength of the spirit. In addition the target loses any skills that are more difficult to learn. The transforming player may relearn any skills lost due to the Racial Transformation ritual if the new race may learn them."

What does "In addition the target loses any skills that are more difficult to learn." mean, as it sounds like nearly any skill could qualify, thus granting a free spirit forge in the process.

 

[phil90]

Hello Eldor ,

That means that you would lose any skill that has double cost for your new race (if applicable ) . Those are the skills that are more difficult to learn.

For example if you become a High Ogre you would lose read and write as well as read magic

 

[Draven]

To further clarify; it removes the requirement of some RTs to be preceded by a Spirit Forge. For example, a highbie MWE with twenty levels of Craftsman might have a difficult transition to a new race due to the cost change in Craftsman. Also, any character with Read Magic would have difficulty moving to Biata. This line is intended to remove those barriers, so that only one cat ritual is needed, instead of two.

 

[KyleSchmelz]

Also, any character with Read Magic would have difficulty moving to Biata. This line is intended to remove those barriers, so that only one cat ritual is needed, instead of two

To be clear, you CAN'T race change to a Biata if you have the Read Magic Skill. From the ritual text:

"If the Race being transformed to cannot be the class of the target, or cannot have any skills they possess the Racial Transformation immediately fails."

The same applies for folks with Two-Handed Blunt that want to become Elves, Staff users that try to become Dwarves, or Archers that try to become Sarr, for example.

 

[Draven]

To be clear, you CAN'T race change to a Biata if you have the Read Magic Skill. From the ritual text:

"If the Race being transformed to cannot be the class of the target, or cannot have any skills they possess the Racial Transformation immediately fails."

The same applies for folks with Two-Handed Blunt that want to become Elves, Staff users that try to become Dwarves, or Archers that try to become Sarr, for example.

That seems in conflict with the line that Eldor posted.

"if the new race may learn them" implies that such a skill should not prevent the RT from happening.

Is it possible there was a change to RT and that there's a conflicting remnant in there?

 

[Inaryn]

No, that is how race change has always worked. If a skill costs your new race double, it's removed unless you choose to rebuy it, and you cannot change to a race that is restricted from purchasing a skill that is already learned on your card.

Note that, if one of your now more expensive skills is a prereq for other skills you have and you cannot afford to rebuy it, the race change also fails.

 

[Draven]

So, "if the new race may learn them" shouldn't be in there at all?

Because, if it's intended for RT to be blocked by prohibited skills, then that line shouldn't be in there. It serves no purpose at all.

It's entirely possible that a modification was made to the language, at some point or another, but it wasn't cleared up appropriately. Let's be honest, that happens.

 

[Draven]

I've sent it to ARC for clarification.

 

[Inaryn]

So, "if the new race may learn them" shouldn't be in there at all?

Because, if it's intended for RT to be blocked by prohibited skills, then that line shouldn't be in there. It serves no purpose at all.

It's entirely possible that a modification was made to the language, at some point or another, but it wasn't cleared up appropriately. Let's be honest, that happens.

No... Because a Human Fighter with Read Magic and no celestial spells who wants to change into a High Orc could choose not to rebuy the now stupid expensive Read Magic. And it wouldn't affect the rest of his card.

 

[Draven]

There's really no reason to discuss our disagreement in interpretation. It's been sent to ARC.