You also get significant reach with all the other twohanded melee weapons... staff just gives you two long swords stuck together.Duke Frost said:It's simply a balance to the build cost. Staff costs 4 build for all classes. Polearm and 2 hd sword are 8, 12, 16. 2 hd blunt is 6, 8, 12. You guys are asking for an awful lot for 4 build.
without the stabby bit.jpariury said:staff just gives you two long swords stuck together.
I could think that an argument could be made that a staff is a very poor 'caster weapon'. Quarterstaff, in the real world, is an extremely fast, athletic, and effective fighting style that can equal many other weapons in single combat. Casters might be better off sticking to single short sword, or mace. You don't need to know anything fancy to use a mace, you just have to have good aim. Though this ignores the proud and storied tradition of wizards ineffectually beating things with overlong walking sticks on the world's gaming tables since some time in the mid seventies, so we might as well just keep it like it is.Duke Frost said:It's simply a balance to the build cost. Staff costs 4 build for all classes. Polearm and 2 hd sword are 8, 12, 16. 2 hd blunt is 6, 8, 12. You guys are asking for an awful lot for 4 build.
Staff was designed to allow a low build cost weapon for all classes. To make it as useful as any other two handed weapon would require higher build costs, which would then take away it's original reason for being. And then people would surely complain that there is no weapon choice for four build.
If you want more damage and to be able to thrust and have more reach, spend the 8, 12 or 16 build. Staff is what it is...an inexpensive weapon skill with limitations that reflect its cost.
Nice.Wraith said:Rocks are free, but thrown weapon still costs build.
Duke Frost said:So many people talk about how staffs are such effective weapons...
However, no one backs it up with any historical context. Throughout history, armies have not used staves as their primary, secondary or any other kind of weapon. Polearms, swords, clubs with obsidian stuck in them, maces, etc. have all been used. Farmers going off to war would grab a sickle or hammer or some other farm tool. They didn't grab a nice young sapling and strip the branches off. People hunted boar and other wild animals with spears, not staves. Even the most primative people living the most natural lifestyles made points for their sticks out of stone or metal or even just by sharpening them to a point and heating them in a fire to make them harder.
People watch and believe too many kung fu movies.
I don't think I was ever pwned as the big bad by a guy with a staff. I have no natural anger at the staff. It's just not all that effective of a weapon throughout history. If you feel otherwise, please don't argue with me, argue with 5,000 years of human history. Give some real life examples of it being used, not that Jet Li used it (along with a rope) to kill 20 bad guys with guns or that Bruce Lee beat up 50 black belts with one. I would be interested to see some examples of men whose lives were on the line choosing to use a staff over another weapon.