v0.10 Question about High Magic and 9th Level Spells
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Is a 9th level spell slot still a prerequisite for purchasing High Magic altogether, or can you now be a ritualist without learning a bunch of battle magic?
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Baron
To be fair, my character is a bit of a corner-case. I can think of ... 5-10 characters(?) across Alliance that have or are targeting 60+ Formal. Most of them will likely have many other things to spend their High Magic on, such as Celestial Armor, Magic Augmentation, Elemental Augmentation, Storm Augmentation, Rebirth, Spellcraft, Oak of the Archmage (now that Wand / Relic rituals can be put on a Staff), Earth's Bounty, Rebirth, Elemental Burst, and Healer's Resolve. Not to mention Ritual Manipulations, which people with 60+ Formal tend to get pulled to do often.
The likelihood of having 30+ Cloaks and 30+ Banes is hyperbolic; the question I asked was mostly to understand the rule change, I don't expect it to actually occur.
I may not have Seths 100 formal, but with 53 as an Earth Caster and only so many options, that feels like a lot of Spell mitigation.
Formal Magic still has a prequisite of a 9th level spell in the appropriate school.
You're limiting yourself in another aspect to specialize in another. I don't see how that's a problem. Sure, they may be able to avoid a bunch of spells, but it will all be situational, and their power level in combat will suffer.
oops! Totally missed that.
If v2 went live today, I would immediately abandon Fighter (I am 40+), as in my personal opinion, it’s an absolutely unplayable class in the v0.10e rule set. All but one build I have made include a minimum of 24 Cloaks now that High Magic purchases are no longer checked by 9th level spells.
The one other build had a grotesque number of Dodges instead.
mikestrauss
Squire
My instinct here is that unlimited is fine, but that the system is just undercharging for cloaks and banes.
For a rogue, Dodge costs 5 xp and stops ANY effect cold. Right now, Cl0ak costs 3 xp and Bane costs 6 xp and stop / reflect a specific type of effect. Each ability used to have a 50 xp and 75 xp pre-req, though these overlapped such that effectively they each had a 30 xp pre-req (5 abilities cost 150 xp in pre-reqs), which is identical to Dodge pre-req cost. In short, the costs were actually pretty darn balanced.
Now there is a one-time pre-req of roughly 80 xp that unlocks all future purchases. That much less expensive (in the long run) pre-req means you need to jack up the cost, IMO. I would increase the cost of Cloak to 6 xp (2 high magic) and the cost of Bane to 9 xp (3 high magic). That makes the cost somewhat prohibitive, because it is more expensive than any spell in the game (and any defensive ability in the game other than Racial Dodge). It is still fair, though, because high magic points can be spent flexibly and ritual magic levels have a second use (okay, technically a primary use).
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For a rogue, Dodge costs 5 xp and stops ANY effect cold. Right now, Cl0ak costs 3 xp and Bane costs 6 xp and stop / reflect a specific type of effect. Each ability used to have a 50 xp and 75 xp pre-req, though these overlapped such that effectively they each had a 30 xp pre-req (5 abilities cost 150 xp in pre-reqs), which is identical to Dodge pre-req cost. In short, the costs were actually pretty darn balanced.
Now there is a one-time pre-req of roughly 80 xp that unlocks all future purchases. That much less expensive (in the long run) pre-req means you need to jack up the cost, IMO. I would increase the cost of Cloak to 6 xp (2 high magic) and the cost of Bane to 9 xp (3 high magic). That makes the cost somewhat prohibitive, because it is more expensive than any spell in the game (and any defensive ability in the game other than Racial Dodge). It is still fair, though, because high magic points can be spent flexibly and ritual magic levels have a second use (okay, technically a primary use).
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Tantarus
Knight
Also keep in mind high magic abilities give you wand damage and charges and the ability to cast rituals. So much value!
Muir
Fighter
I would do the same. Fighter has lost most of its repeatable damage and almost all access to carriers. Meanwhile, Celestial magic uses high-damage pre-requesite spell slots to build into vastly improved wand damage and enhanced usefullness of formal magic levels.
Deadlands of Old
Baron
I'm trying to understand the perceptions behind this change.
Did the current rules architects feel this is necessary? If so, why?
Was there really a perception that the casters needed an additional boost, in spite of all the boosts already afforded intentionally and by default in the current proposals?
Is there not a perception that the current proposed rules nerf the martial classes? And this is a big one for me. If that is the case, please, tell me how you see it that way.
If the current proposed rules go through, I will also be abandoning a martial class. My only question is which type of caster will my character become. Pure celestials is looking unreasonably good in comparison...
Did the current rules architects feel this is necessary? If so, why?
Was there really a perception that the casters needed an additional boost, in spite of all the boosts already afforded intentionally and by default in the current proposals?
Is there not a perception that the current proposed rules nerf the martial classes? And this is a big one for me. If that is the case, please, tell me how you see it that way.
If the current proposed rules go through, I will also be abandoning a martial class. My only question is which type of caster will my character become. Pure celestials is looking unreasonably good in comparison...