A World Without Harry Potter

I will be one of the guest speakers at the Philadelphia Science Fiction convention this weekend (November 21) and one of the panels they have asked me to moderate is called "A World Without Harry Potter."

Here's a description of the panel:

We are rapidly approaching the end of the Harry Potter movie franchise which will close the door on the world of Hogwarts and He Who Shall Not Be Named. What will SF/F move to once Harry is gone and how will it continue to attract young people to the genre?

As moderator, my job is to ask relevant questions of the panel and give my own comments.

I would appreciate any suggestions as to good questions I can use to move the discussion along!
 
I guess I didn't realize that Harry Potter was such a big influence in the world of fantasy or (especially) science fiction. I mean, it's one franchise that has definitely become popular, but is it really a gateway for people who get into it to get into other science fiction or fantasy? Or is it that Rowling influences other fantasy writers? I know this isn't the point of the panel, but it's an assumption made in stating the question.
 
elliotbay said:
I guess I didn't realize that Harry Potter was such a big influence in the world of fantasy or (especially) science fiction. I mean, it's one franchise that has definitely become popular, but is it really a gateway for people who get into it to get into other science fiction or fantasy? Or is it that Rowling influences other fantasy writers? I know this isn't the point of the panel, but it's an assumption made in stating the question.

Well, HP has indeed made fantasy a lot more acceptable, and has moved a lot of kids who normally woudln't read fantasy (or anything really) in that direction. The panel is asking if there is something else out there, or will this "fad" die out and so on....
 
michael - one thing i've noticed is that since harry potter (and LOTR) the idea of fantasy worlds has EXPLODED in the realm of uhhh (how to say this politically correct?) less ecclectic folk (ie rednecks like fantasy stuff now) is that there are a TON of new books and series of books that are.....fantastical? i read children's books ALOT and ever since harry potter came out its like there's an entire children's/young adult sci fi fantasy section now! everyone's writing it!!! children are writing about it themselves!! kids of today don't play cops adn robbers and cowboys and indians and stuff they play doctor who and harry potter and witch and wizard (which i hear is what jkrowling played as a kid)

without harry potter there will just be another person to step up. look at spiderwick...granted not NEARLY as big as HP but still quite big. there will be more and more movies/books moving in that genre. writers will come out of the woodwork. also i think you will see more people writing to a higher level of understanding? harry potter hooked children and adults alike. frankly i enjoy the series of unfortunate events books but not many adults do. the only HOLE i see is the book that will gap the age difference. harry potter did that in such an amazing way. not many books are read by mother and child alike. thats what will be missed.
mpo
 
I feel that Harry Potter actually opened the door of fantasy up to many more people.

The series not only is enjoyed by kids but also teens and adults, something that very few fantasy series have been able to do.

It also put fantasy in a contemporary setting, which for some makes fantasy more believable.

Rather than the high fantasy setting of a quasi-medieval world where elves, humans, and dwarves battle necromancers, dragons, and other fantasy things, Harry Potter includes some common fantasy aspects but places it in the real world.

I am not knocking high fantasy mind you since I do like high fantasy novels and I'm in Alliance which is high fantasy, but I can see where people can wrap their brain around fantasy set in a contemporary. In other words, people can relate to things they are familiar with in their own lives.

Also Harry Potter tells a nice story about growing up and facing challenges along the way. It has several instances that once again people can relate to like falling in and out of love, individuality, death, and other important lessons about growing up

Having said this, I believe that fantasy will go on after Harry Potter.

The only thing that could be problematic is a fissure forming, dividing fantasy once again into stories that only kids will enjoy or stories that only adults will enjoy without haveing stories where all can enjoy.

There are series that continue to satisfy all such as His Dark Materials, Spiderwick, Inkheart, and many more.

I do think that one trick to fantasy writing is there needs to be new concepts that separate a series from the rest of the pack.

In conlusion the fantasy world will go on after Harry Potter. Yet I'm sure that generations from now people will stil be Harry Potter as well as any other fantasy series that breaks the mold and is loved by many ages.

Jim
 
kitsune85 said:
It has several instances that once again people can relate to like falling in and out of love, individuality, death, and other important lessons about growing up
I read this and thought, "not many people fall in and out of death"
 
I don't know what questions you should ask, but I can definitely think of discussion topics.

The real question is whether Harry Potter was a singular phenomenon or whether it was just the most current example of a recurring phenomenon.

I would definitely claim the latter. Science Fiction/Fantasy has found ways to attract large amounts of readers throughout its history. Only dealing with modern times (no need to discuss the Odyssey or the Iliad right now), the genre has historically found ways to attract new readers. In the 1950s (basically the inception of the genre), science fiction comic books were immensely popular. Also, the dime store novel was popular and science fiction novels were placed next to detective novels and both sold well.

As those began to fizzle, welcome J.R.R. Tolkien, often considered the Godfather of the fantasy genre (no matter how much I dislike his writing). Written SF/F started to falter at that point, but the silver screen and the small screen took off. Star Trek, Star Wars, BSG, Buck Rogers, V, and a whole lot more (heck, even Mazes and Monsters) were all popular and kept the genre going. Also, D&D was in its first hey-day and spawned a litany of RPGs. A new genre, the RPG fantasy novel began to hit the shelves and kept the genre moving.

Then, as all of that began to falter, in came Anne Rice. Horror fantasy is still fantasy and her novels became an overnight sensation. Also, a new form of science fiction had become popular. Michael Crichton (RIP) was selling like wildfire. And his "mainstream" science fiction brought a new wonder to a new generation. Then as Anne Rice lost her faithful and Crichton slowed down his writing speed, Harry Potter came onto the scene. And while J.K. Rowling had a good run, she wasn't alone and her success was not without help. During the Harry Potter phenomenon, a number of other contributing factors existed and still exist. Love him or hate him, Robert Jordan produced a run of novels with writing compared the Tolkien. Third edition D&D was a spectacular success, reviving the nearly dead RPG market. Dan Brown, following in the footsteps of Michael Crichton released his "mainstream" science fiction novels (most notably, Angels & Demons and The DaVinci Code). Also, comic book movies (another form of the fantasy genre) became popular again.

Sure, Harry Potter is gone, but the genre is far from gone. Currently, fourth edition D&D is the best selling D&D/RPG ever. Comic books are selling better than they have in decades. Dan Brown will surely write more books. Also, keep in mind, that at no time did the genre ever entirely collapse. I have fantasy novels on my shelf that were written in just about every year from my birth (1977) to present. Heck, Xanth novels are still being produced, having reached something like 34 in the series. And, while he may be a modern dime store novel writer, one thing that can be said about Piers Anthony is that he is exceptionally good at managing to continually relate with the current generation. Xanth novels are very accessible to children.

I don't see an end with Harry Potter. I see the "next big thing" already peeking its head out any number of places. The re-emerging popularity of the Star Wars mythos (Clone Wars movie, Clone Wars TV series, Clone Wars mini episodes series, etc.) may drive the genre into the next decade. Dan Brown, despite his enmity from the Catholic church (or possibly because of it) may be what moves everything along. The spate of comic book movies (and increasing comic books sales that come with it) coming out in the next two years may be the future. Heck, Samuel L. Jackson alone may singlehandedly keep the science fiction/fantasy genre alive.

Don't get me wrong. Harry Potter was something special. But, it wasn't unique. The cycle continues and it will take a lot more than one retiring British school marm to end the genre.

-MS
 
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