Hobling eyebrows?

[James Trotta]

All I can find in the new rulebook about hoblings is: "You cannot use makeup to represent biata eyebrows, high ogre and high orc teeth, or hobling sideburns."

Does this mean Hoblings have no special eyebrow requirement? If they do, is it going in the addendum?

 

[Maxondaerth]

Comparing the wording in both racial descriptions from the old and new editions, they specifically dropped the eyebrows in the race section so I'm guessing yeah no more eyebrows.

 

[Ezri]

I have a feeling it was more of an accidental omission than intentional. It does not mean that these are no longer a requirement. It means that you must use something other than makeup for these racial phys-reps.

 

[James Trotta]

I guess right now it's confusing - is makeup required for eyebrows? fake bushy eyebrow stuff glued on? Or nothing (which si what we have according to the rulebook)?

I have a feeling it was more of an accidental omission than intentional. It does not mean that these are no longer a requirement. It means that you must use something other than makeup for these racial phys-reps.

 

[Mike Ventrella]

No, the eyebrow thing was specifically dropped since we now require that the sideburns be glued on and not done with make-up.

 

[Ezri]

I stand corrected.

 

[James Trotta]

Yeah that is new. No eyebrow makeup or anything.

 

[Sunnfire]

You can still use eyeliner.

But emo-hoblings end up in the earth circle an don't remember what happened. Which in turn makes them more depressed...

 

[Mike Ventrella]

You can still use eyeliner.

But emo-hoblings end up in the earth circle an don't remember what happened. Which in turn makes them more depressed...

Emo hoblings! I can't wait to read that race packet!!!

 

[Telokh_Amdo]

You can still use eyeliner.

But emo-hoblings end up in the earth circle an don't remember what happened. Which in turn makes them more depressed...

Emo hoblings! I can't wait to read that race packet!!!

They come from the depressing side of every Hobling homeland in every chapter. The rulers of those lands pay very well to keep the existence of the Emos very hush-hush. It's the only business the Emo Hoblings have been successful at thus far.

 

[Angrydurf]

Ok but what about a human with big sideburns? How is that instantly recognizeable as a human and not a hobbling?

Can hobblings not have real sideburns? I mean if a hobling player has muttonchops and a human player does there is no way to differentiant without the eyebrow requirement.

 

[Maxondaerth]

Nope, they are supposed to have glue-ons. Apparently it's okay for them to look totally real, but they have to be fake. I know, I don't get it either.

 

[Angrydurf]

Nope, they are supposed to have glue-ons. Apparently it's okay for them to look totally real, but they have to be fake. I know, I don't get it either.

How exactly can you have glue ons when you have real ones? Do hoblings have to shave thier real ones to put on fake ones?

If this is the precident we're setting I would like ot propose instead that all barbarians Humans and gypsies have to be cleanshaven.

 

[Maxondaerth]

I don't know man, this was argued to death a little over a year ago or so, and I was totally arguing the other side of it (having played a hobling for going on 8 years with natural chops the whole time and never having been confused for anything but a madman hobling) and lost. But yeah, it all comes down to: If races need to be instantly recognizable on sight, there needs to be very distinctive tell tale signs. Costuming and hair styles don't do it. If, however, physical appearance is supposed to be a lead-in to role play to for sure determine what race a person is, then they work fine and it shouldn't matter if that big bushy beard is real or fake, see how the person acts, and if he acts dwarfy then he's probably a dwarf.

 

[Angrydurf]

No I totally agree with you on this but I don't see how it is physically possible for a guy with big chops to wear fake ones. I mean I disagree strongly witht he dwarf beard change but I can see how extensions or braiding can be done but that really isn't doable for sideburns.

Add to that that Barbarians and gypsies are not recognizable on sight and frankly the whole thing just doesn't hold up.

 

[Telokh_Amdo]

No I totally agree with you on this but I don't see how it is physically possible for a guy with big chops to wear fake ones. I mean I disagree strongly witht he dwarf beard change but I can see how extensions or braiding can be done but that really isn't doable for sideburns.

Add to that that Barbarians and gypsies are not recognizable on sight and frankly the whole thing just doesn't hold up.

I agree with the difficulty of using fake sideburns if the player already has real ones.

However, Barbarians and Gypsies should be recognizable on site if they are dressed properly.

 

[markusdark]

I agree with the difficulty of using fake sideburns if the player already has real ones.

However, Barbarians and Gypsies should be recognizable on site if they are dressed properly.

Gypsy or Human? (In Rulebook)

Page 8
Page 14
Page 16 (middle person)
Page 19 (both people)
Page 29 (Center)
Page 32 (Left)
Page 50
Page 58 (everyone without pointed ears)
Page 76 (far right and person behind the woman)
Page 86 (right)
Page 110

Barbarian or human?
Page 13

Unlike the definite Barbarian on Page 17 or gypsy as page 88, most of the above people only have a smattering of the requirements. MOst of the people I pointed out as for Gypsy or Human I only did because they are wearing a head wrap or sash which is usually associated with Gypsy but is in no way "loud colorful clothes". If we stood all of my chapter up in a line and I stood 20 feet away, I'd have a harder time determining our barbarians and gypsies than I would our dwarves without their fake beards.

Just like people who don't have fancy armor or great costuming, a starting out barbarian may not be able to afford the amount of fur required to fit his costume. Some try to go with fur around the shoulders of whatever they're wearing but is that really barbaric - does that really fit the bill? Does a white shirt, red sash and a green vest & headwrap make a gypsy? I hope so as this is what I wear for mine. To me, barbarians and gypsies are more about attitude and roleplay than they are about the costumes. And, IMO, it is the same with dwarves and hoblings. I'll admit that there have been times that I have mistaken a dwarf or hobling for a human, but I have also mistaken the wild elf with her long hair as a barbarian. In fact, my main character's best travelling companion I have mistaken for over a decade as a human! He is actually an elf but always wears a cavilier hat that covers his ears (and yes, he wore the ears under it).

Here's a pic of him and me (oh, and my lovely, loud red head wrap is now replaced with a toned down green one - had to give it to another gypsy who 'demanded' payment).

 

[Angrydurf]

No I totally agree with you on this but I don't see how it is physically possible for a guy with big chops to wear fake ones. I mean I disagree strongly witht he dwarf beard change but I can see how extensions or braiding can be done but that really isn't doable for sideburns.

Add to that that Barbarians and gypsies are not recognizable on sight and frankly the whole thing just doesn't hold up.

I agree with the difficulty of using fake sideburns if the player already has real ones.

However, Barbarians and Gypsies should be recognizable on site if they are dressed properly.

So a Human character can no longer wear fur or lound colorful clothing as part of their costume? I know of a few humans who are gonna have to change their costume, actually more than a few.

Elves can't wear hats or helms or headgear that cover the ears, and certainly can't wear one if they have barbarian or gypsy like clothes. I certainly see alot of elves that do wear hats/hoods/headwraps and been mistaken for gypsies/humans/barbarians more often then I ever was mistaken as human with my natural beard.

 

[tieran]

An elf can most certainly wear headgear that covers the ears.

Any props (such as elf ears) must be worn at all times, even under a hood or when hidden by hair.

 

[Angrydurf]

Yea an elf can cover thier ears but then how can you tell what race they are? After all race is supposed to be instantly recognizable on sight.

Heres a quick quiz I have tossed together

What race is the adult in this picture?

One of these characters is a gypsy which one?

1)

2)

3)

What race is the fellow in the hat in the back of this picture?

Keep in mind this outfit is almost identical to the properly repped elf Markusdark posted above

An what race is the fellow in the left foreground?

or either of these Characters?

Or this lovely lady?