Favorite editorial cartoons: July 2009
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Duke Frost
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Robb Graves said:
This one about sums up my view of the federal government.
Scott
Fearless Leader said:Robb Graves said:Fearless Leader said:
wow.. what utter ********.
Care to back that up or do you just think that you've won an argument by simply disagreeing?
Well if I may offer a written disagreement of two of those three cartoons it'd be the following:
The top one isn't necessarily true. Sotomayor has not come out of thise one unscathed, in fact she looks bad from the standpoint of the Ricci decisions, the fact that 60% of rulings that she takes part in are over turned by the Supreme Court, and her opinions like the 'Wise Latina' comment. The GOP has been very careful to not appear as if they are attacking who she is really, only her suitability for the job itself.
The second one is unfortunately true. A large segment of the Hispanic population look at Sotomayor regardless of which country she's from as a beacon of progression so no matter what she said or how qualified she is, or her opinions are on a range of topics because of who she is any real opposition to her risks alienating a large voting block.
Finally the third one made me snicker and its the one that even I personally find offensive. Last time I checked I wasn't a card carrying member of the KKK. I also find it ignoring several historical facts and precedents between both parties...if anyone should be associated with the clan its the democratic party. Just a few examples: Lincoln freed the slaves, Theodore Roosevelt came up with the idea of the square deal long before FDRs New Deal, Eisenhower integrated schools and passed the first significant civil rights legislation of the 20th century. Jacob Javitis who while only a senator was influential in numerous civil rights causes and the support of various legislation through the 50s-60s which helped bring the US out of a moral muck of post-slavery Jim Crowe.
Now lets take a look at some prominent Democrats: Woodrow Wilson called the KKK film The Birth of a Nation a great historical film, and I wont even bother going forward with his more disgusting actions and words (And I'm not talking about the League of Nations either
), Orval Faubus is a name most people have never heard of but was at the center of one of the most tense stand offs between Americans since the civil war. Elements of the 101st Airborne were deployed under orders to escort African American children to school in Arkansas after Faubuss ordered the Arkansas National Guard to deny those very children entrance. George Wallace yet another governor(Alabama) who stood against integration of schools and I believe is famous for "I say segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever" then you have the greatest one of all Senator Robert Carlyle Byrd...filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964 for 14 hours was an admitted former member of the KKK...this list goes on I assure you but I feel that I might have strayed to far from my original point.While none of this means the Republican party has always been an open and inclusive organization the way it roots and its more prominent members would have wanted it to be, in no way does it signify that we are part of the Klan. Just like I should say the Democratic party while inclusive now of minorities doesn't exactly have a spotless record on civil rights and the promotion of greater integration for minorities.
And moving away from domestic politics which turns friends into enemies and has the affect of lowering opinions between people who really should get along I throw my two cents in with a cartoon tacked up on my wall and still makes me laugh a month or so later
Mike Ventrella
Duke
TheSaint said:
Some of this is misunderstanding about how the Supreme Court works. They only accept a few cases each year, and then only where they want to change or clarify the law in some way. If they agree with the lower court, then they don't even take the case -- why should they? The law is already the way they want it.
So to say someone is overruled 60% of the time is meaningless, especially when you consider that Judge Alito and Judge Roberts (the two most recent additions) had overturn rates much higher than that. The obvious conclusion, if you are using this line of argument, is that Sotomayer must be a much better judge than guys who are already on the Court.
The "wise latina" comment has of course been taken completely out of context. She was asked about life experiences, specifically concerning discrimination cases, and she said that a "wise latina" who has experienced discrimination would have a better understanding of the situation and probably make a better decision on discrimination cases than a white male. That makes perfect sense to me. All your life experienced affect your decision-making, and it's silly to deny it. If I were a judge and a case came up involving LARPs, I would daresay I would probably make a better decision than a judge who had no idea what a LARP is, and if a case came up involving real estate law, a judge who in the past had been a real estate lawyer would have a better idea than I would (for instance). She never said a "wise latina" would be better than a white male in ALL decision-making, yet that is what her opponents are saying she said, by chopping up the videos with the quote and otherwise ignoring the entire sentence.
The big issue, to me, is white male judges acting as if the fact that they are white males has no effect whatsoever on their decision-making, but yet a latina female will be biased because of her background. Now that's just bull, and that's why this argument makes people think these critics are a bit racist -- as if a white background is pure and honest and everything else is not. Vanilla is a flavor, too.
TheSaint said:Finally the third one made me snicker and its the one that even I personally find offensive. Last time I checked I wasn't a card carrying member of the KKK. I also find it ignoring several historical facts and precedents between both parties...if anyone should be associated with the clan its the democratic party. Just a few examples: Lincoln freed the slaves, Theodore Roosevelt came up with the idea of the square deal long before FDRs New Deal, Eisenhower integrated schools and passed the first significant civil rights legislation of the 20th century. Jacob Javitis who while only a senator was influential in numerous civil rights causes and the support of various legislation through the 50s-60s which helped bring the US out of a moral muck of post-slavery Jim Crowe.
Now lets take a look at some prominent Democrats: Woodrow Wilson called the KKK film The Birth of a Nation a great historical film, and I wont even bother going forward with his more disgusting actions and words (And I'm not talking about the League of Nations either
While none of this means the Republican party has always been an open and inclusive organization the way it roots and its more prominent members would have wanted it to be, in no way does it signify that we are part of the Klan. Just like I should say the Democratic party while inclusive now of minorities doesn't exactly have a spotless record on civil rights and the promotion of greater integration for minorities.
You're absolutely right, of course, but we're dealing with here and now and not the past. The fact is that certain GOP Senators (not all of them) consistently made comments during the hearing about her being latina, compared her ONLY to other latino judges, made jokes like "You got some 'splainin' to do" and otherwise seemed to harp on the fact that she wasn't white as opposed to dealing with the decisions she had made in the past. So yeah, they certainly looked racist (at least to that cartoonist who, by the way, is latino).
Duke Frost
Baron
Fearless Leader said:
So by this logic, if one larper is a rapist, that means it's okay to portray all larpers as rapists? Or if one Democratic is an adulterer, it's okay to say all Democrats are adulterers?
Funny, that's not what they taught me in my logic class in college.
Duke Frost
Baron
Robb Graves said:
Corrected my post.
Mike Ventrella
Duke
Duke Frost said:
Except, of course, if you read my comment, it says very clearly "certain GOP Senators (not all of them)".
There! I run rings around you logically!
Duke Frost
Baron
Fearless Leader said:
But we are discussing the cartoon AND your comment, not just your comment in a vacuum. The cartoon clearly only says "GOP", not "Certain GOP senators". Your comment is a defense of the cartoon, which blatantly implies all GOP members are members of the Klu Klux Klan. Why not just say all white people are members of the Klan?
The bottom line is, sensationalistic comics like this only succced in furthering mistrust, hatred and misunderstanding. The media has polarized our country and continues to do so more and more every day. But I guess that's what people want, or at least what sells papers. That's why I read my local paper, because it actually has stories about people doing good things.
People are afraid to say it, but minorities can be just as racist as whites. And it's wrong no matter who is doing it. The cartoonist in question is just as guilty as the senators in question of being racist.
Scott
Duke Frost
Baron
Then again, maybe the cartoonist just meant the GOP all have pieces of pie for heads.
Gee-Perwin
Adept
Duke Frost said:
Absolutely true! I grew up listening to my dad say all kinds of nasty things about gypies & Turks. He was born & raised in Greece and didn't come to the US until he was in his 20's. There are also plenty of Greeks that I know who talk smack on non-ethnic whites.
I personally can't wait until the older generation that thinks race plays such a huge role in things finally dies off. Seriously, my generation will be more than happy to tell you how stupid you (no one specific) are. We don't care about the color of your skin any more. Especially those of us who think of "races" as elves, dwarves, hoblings, humans, etc.
BTW, lets listen to what Barbara Boxer has to say:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE_jGD5nZ6U[/youtube]
Gee-Perwin
Adept
It doesn't matter. That's the generation I'm talking about that I can't wait to die off so we can actually have discussions without race mattering. No offense to those in that age bracket...unless you think race matters.
dreadpiratebill
Fighter
Gee-Perwin said:Fearless Leader said:
I understand your anger over everything, but saying stuff like, "What's his answer? Do nothing and hope it works?" is just wrong. Please research facts first.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foXQbmZxWYY[/youtube]
"Prices go up more so in certain areas that the government gets involved in than others."
You also can't ignore the fact that the Fed has destroyed our dollar with uncontrolled power. Ron Paul is leading the way to audit the Fed, and then End the Fed.
God based on the math I wish ending the Fed was a possibility. Simply will never happen tho.
Mike Ventrella
Duke
Gee-Perwin
Adept
Fearless Leader said:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L07zDaEnwzQ[/youtube]
I <3 Shelly.
Duke Frost
Baron
Robb, it's newsworthy if a member of the GOP has affairs. It's just expected that liberals have affairs, so it's not news when they cheat on their spouses and go to hookers. I think it's actually condoned.
Mike Ventrella
Duke
Duke Frost said:
It has to do with hypocrisy. The GOP has constantly touted itself as the "party of family values" yet they just keep having sex scandal after sex scandal. No one is saying the democrats don't have their own sex scandals, but they also don't go around claiming to be holier than thou.