Favorite editorial cartoons: July 2009

Robb, when will you realize that Mike will always agree with and defend anti-GOP anything?

The liberal healthcare proposal is currently failing...because moderate Democrats are voting against it (God Bless them). Blue Dogs FTW. So the liberal cartoonists bring up something completely sensationalistic and irrelevant to the issue at hand that will hopefully cause an uproar.

Saying that banning gay marriage is more of a "priority" to the GOP than healthcare is a pretty huge leap to make, even for a cartoonist. It's akin to you and I disagreeing on how to paint the mage's guild, so all of a sudden I yell out "Robb hates puppies!". It's how cartoonists and politicians work...and not just liberal ones but conservative ones too. The difference being, Mike's really the only one posting political cartoons here, so the majority of them are anti GOP and anti Conservative.

Scott
 
I guess what it comes down to is, I'd rather point out how wrong they are and fight against propagating this kind of nonsense then just allow anyone to post this kind of stuff unchallenged. There are impressionable minds everywhere, and I'd hate to see board visitors 1) believe we are all libs and 2)remain uninformed; believing or agreeing with this stuff if I can help save them from doing so with a few facts...
 
Robb Graves said:
I guess what it comes down to is, I'd rather point out how wrong they are and fight against propagating this kind of nonsense then just allow anyone to post this kind of stuff unchallenged. There are impressionable minds everywhere, and I'd hate to see board visitors 1) believe we are all libs and 2)remain uninformed; believing or agreeing with this stuff if I can help save them from doing so with a few facts...
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Politics have little to do with the facts.

Scott
PS: Robb hates puppies.
 
Robb Graves said:
Fearless Leader said:
No, there's no causal relationship. The point is priorities. Democrats think health care is a priority, and Republicans think keeping gays from getting married is a priority.

I really shouldn't have to explain these things to you. ;)
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I don't glean that at all from that comic. The comic represents that the GOP want Healthcare to fail because it will somehow aid in returning them to power. Once in power, they will ban gay marriage or some such thing.
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Yes, you got it. It's a cartoon, not an editorial. It simplifies everything to make a point and to make a joke. ;)

Robb Graves said:
The truth though is that most of the opposition to "healthcare reform" by both the GOP and the newly coined fiscally conservative democrat "Blue Dogs"is that all of the proposals thus far cost trillions and do little to change the system in a way that will actually benefit Americans.
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The "blue dogs" have some legitimate complaints about the current proposal (so do I) but unlike the GOP they want health care -- they just are debating the details of it. The GOP has offered no alternative proposal whatsoever; they're just saying "no, we like it the way it is."

Robb Graves said:
BUT because this liberal comic artist can't actually tell the truth and expect to sell his work, he is once again propagating the stereotypical non sequitur lies that work only to further polarize American politics.
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Um, it's an opinion, just like right wing cartoonists have opinions and you and I have opinions.
 
Fearless Leader said:
Um, it's an opinion, just like right wing cartoonists have opinions and you and I have opinions.
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There are right wing cartoonists? Who'da thunk it?

Scott
 
Fearless Leader said:
Um, it's an opinion, just like right wing cartoonists have opinions and you and I have opinions.
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no it isn't. using that logic i would glean the following:

Fact 1: Mike V is an atheist.
Fact 2: Mike V hates tomatoes because they give him heartburn. (I made this up for this example)
Conclusion that i will make a cartoon out of: Mike V hates tomatoes because he is an atheist.
 
It's something called oversimplification... no big deal.
 
... but it's not.

it's attempting to assign a relationship between 2 unrelated subjects. to claim that the causality of the GOP's bias against the healthcare legislation is based on the GOP's conservative social policies rather than their conservative economic ones.

it's misdirection. misinformation. aka lying.
 
Robb Graves said:
... but it's not.

it's attempting to assign a relationship between 2 unrelated subjects. to claim that the causality of the GOP's bias against the healthcare legislation is based on the GOP's conservative social policies rather than their conservative economic ones.

it's misdirection. misinformation. aka lying.
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And thus, it's politics.
 
I'd still like to know what folks, especially Dems, think of the Senate leadership, House leadership, and President Obama wanting to block a full audit of the Fed. Doesn't that concern anyone? This is a real topic, not BS about gay marriage.
 
I also am concerned that they are trying to block an audit. I think it's waaaaaay past overdue for one. IRS wants to audit me, or can, it should go both ways. We shouldn't be at the mercy of our government, they should be accountable to the people. But again, doubt that will happen anytime soon...
 
Gwendara said:
I also am concerned that they are trying to block an audit. I think it's waaaaaay past overdue for one. IRS wants to audit me, or can, it should go both ways. We shouldn't be at the mercy of our government, they should be accountable to the people. But again, doubt that will happen anytime soon...
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But why doubt it? Look at all the bipartisan support we have in the House! Being cynical is great, but you can't just sit by. The only reason there is so much support right now is because House Representatives were FLOODED with calls, e-mails, letters, etc. to co-sponsor this bill. We need to constantly remind politicians that they need to fear us, not the other way around.
 
Oh, I'd like it to happen. I do send e-mails as well. I guess I just set my expectations low when it comes to the government. Sorry I'm jaded. Yet I'm not going to sit by and do nothing, I'll keep trying. I guess I just feel like this will get forgotten with all the other "big issues" that get all the attention. I do think this would solve a lot of those other issues indirectly. So much is tied on money, banking, and economics it's unreal. Like the weather. We have a pretty good idea when a tornado will hit but there is so much chaos and unseen factors that play in. This could very well help in other areas. Sorry, Gee, I wasn't trying to say it's not going to happen and that I won't keep supporting these sorts of things just that I've been a bit depressed with the state of affairs in general. I too wrote in Ron Paul... :)
 
Glad to see you were one of the many military, former & current, that supported RP. He actually receive more financial donations from military personell than all other candidates combined during the primaries. :)

Regardless, I believe that, going forward, we need to stick to real discussion, not some silly cartoons posted here. They don't add to any constructive debate or discussion. It's your forum and you can do what you like, Mike, but all they do is focus on the left/right paradigm. That just isn't how it is in reality, no matter what FOX, MSNBC, or CNN want us to believe.

I honestly believe the best thing any single person can do right now is self education. Read, read, read! If a certain topic doesn't make sense to you, then study it. Believe me, monetary policy made no sense to me a couple years ago. I've basically forced myself to better understand how things work, even if that meant falling asleep while reading, and re-reading books to make sense of it all. I still don't have a fantastic understanding, but I sure as heck understand more now than ever. Lets educate ourselves and focus on the root problems of this country. That's what I think, and that's what I'll keep doing.
 
Gee-Perwin, it's awesome that you're motivating everyone to get involved and stuff, but the title of the thread is "favorite editorial cartoons". Personally, I find them funny because they're ridiculous and I thought that was the point of the thread.

I fully support a discussion on politics if people want to have it, but saying people should stop posting editorial cartoons in the thread designated for them seems a little over the top.
 
Artos said:
Gee-Perwin, it's awesome that you're motivating everyone to get involved and stuff, but the title of the thread is "favorite editorial cartoons". Personally, I find them funny because they're ridiculous and I thought that was the point of the thread.

I fully support a discussion on politics if people want to have it, but saying people should stop posting editorial cartoons in the thread designated for them seems a little over the top.
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All I am doing is requesting we raise the bar on political discussion a few notches by not posting political cartoons. I agree that they are ridiculous, but I find no humor in polarizing politics further. I'd like to see a more intelligent political conversation here. Mike has every right to post these cartoons. I will probably just choose to ignore these threads going forward (or at least do my best to), and I hope Scott & Robb would do the same (and anyone else who finds them ridiculous & not funny).

I will say that trying to raise the political conversation here has been a real thread killer. I'm not really sure why as I'm trying to discuss serious issues that affect us all. There are a lot of important things going on in this great country that aren't covered by media & cartoons. We need to focus more on them.

Thanks for your reply. :)
 
No time for politics. My mask making supplies arrived today! Better looking monsters for everyone! That's my platform!
 
Duke Frost said:
Mike likes giving his money to guys who pretend they want to help then put it in their pockets. At least the insurance companies admit they're there to make money. I'll take the honest capitalist over the lying, greedy, hypocritical, socialist politician any day. At least I don't have to pay for the magic wand, unlike the one trillion dollar price tag on a ridiculous plan that simply won't work.
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Which plan are you talking about -- the one that, on July 16, did not exist but was only in the discussion stage ... the one that is in the Senate bill that has not yet left the Committee - the one that is in the House that is about to leave Committe -- the House Conference bill -- the Senate Conference bill -- or the one that is going to pass in Congress during this session?

Are you 'against" it because the Minority Party of No wants to defeat what is not yet before them to vote on? Or are you "against" it because the Majority Party are the Democrats...or what?
 
Perhaps he is against the plan regardless of where it sits in the legislative process and regardless of which party is voting how simply because he disagrees with the plan as a whole and isn't influenced by what the parties think but disagrees with it on its own merits.
 
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