Alavatar
Baron
Right. Forgot about that ... still less defenses against Curse in 2.0 than there are Gift in 1.3, overall.
[.10] - Relics impressions
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Saephis
Squire
Selunari Resist Curse. And maybe not "more than currently", but certainly more than if Gift were its own effect group.
It also requires a (presumably unique) relic to use each one. An NPC, for example, won't necessarily have a bangle of all four relics in all cases -- I'd honestly be surprised if this were the case in the majority of cases.
Maybe, but if so, would maintain balance -> Create Undead (in Corrupt) vs Destroy Undead (even if they don't work that way), Life vs Death.
Draven
Count
For what it's worth, I made a proposal to the owners regarding a change to the Death system in order to compensate for the drop in Life spells across the game (loss of Expanded Enchantments) and to allow communities with less access to Earth magic (groups that are really fighter-heavy, younger communities, etc). I do not know the status on it:
Intent: This will take pressure off of Earth Casters from feeling forced to memorize Life spells, which are currently the only way to take someone from Dead to Alive. Also, it would take a little bit of the power away from Death (not because someone is necessarily safer from Death, but because it's easier to recover from).
A) Replace the status of "Dead" with "Mortally Wounded." This is for thematic reasons, because the proposal relies on healing, and healing a Dead person would seem weird.
B) When a character moves from "Bleeding out" to "Dying," they drop from -1 to -50.
C) If a character receives 50 Healing within 5 minutes of being Mortally Wounded, they stabilize at 0 Body and Unconscious (or become conscious at X body, if they get healed more than 50).
D) The Death curse would drop a character to -50.
E) First Aid is insufficient to tend to a Mortal Wound, and would result in a "No effect" call immediately.
F) The mortal wound timer cannot be stopped, even from receiving healing (this will prevent characters from trying to provide minimal healing in order to extend the clock as long as possible). If the full 50 isn't received within 5 minutes, the character moves to Dead and the body immediately dissipates to Resurrect.
G) The Life spell fully heals someone who is Mortally Wounded (allowing for Life to still be very potent, as it should be).
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Were this proposal accepted, I'd have less of an issue with Death spells flying through the air like the latter stages of the Harry Potter series.
Intent: This will take pressure off of Earth Casters from feeling forced to memorize Life spells, which are currently the only way to take someone from Dead to Alive. Also, it would take a little bit of the power away from Death (not because someone is necessarily safer from Death, but because it's easier to recover from).
A) Replace the status of "Dead" with "Mortally Wounded." This is for thematic reasons, because the proposal relies on healing, and healing a Dead person would seem weird.
B) When a character moves from "Bleeding out" to "Dying," they drop from -1 to -50.
C) If a character receives 50 Healing within 5 minutes of being Mortally Wounded, they stabilize at 0 Body and Unconscious (or become conscious at X body, if they get healed more than 50).
D) The Death curse would drop a character to -50.
E) First Aid is insufficient to tend to a Mortal Wound, and would result in a "No effect" call immediately.
F) The mortal wound timer cannot be stopped, even from receiving healing (this will prevent characters from trying to provide minimal healing in order to extend the clock as long as possible). If the full 50 isn't received within 5 minutes, the character moves to Dead and the body immediately dissipates to Resurrect.
G) The Life spell fully heals someone who is Mortally Wounded (allowing for Life to still be very potent, as it should be).
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Were this proposal accepted, I'd have less of an issue with Death spells flying through the air like the latter stages of the Harry Potter series.
Saephis
Squire
A fair amount of my interest in Death is that there's no actual debilitating effect in the set of relic abilities. Even lower level earth columns have things like pin or web.
Maybe replace Destruction with Paralysis, if Death is "too scary". Being absolutely chained to "That thing's got a pulse? Well I guess you gotta go all chaos-y" isn't really fair.
Maybe replace Destruction with Paralysis, if Death is "too scary". Being absolutely chained to "That thing's got a pulse? Well I guess you gotta go all chaos-y" isn't really fair.
Alavatar
Baron
My thought process with the Relic idea was to give them a theme. I was toying with the idea of having Order be Binding ("stay put!") + Paralysis themed or Command themed, for instance.
For what it's worth: While I love the theme of Alavatar's ideas on Relics, it's ... pretty complicated.
It would be slightly less complicated IMO if the "charges used" corresponded to the spell level you'd memorize the same effect at. At least that way someone only needs to remember one "value" for, say, Destruction instead of "it takes a 7th level spell slot OR 10 charges".
Still seems more complicated than we'd want to put in, but I like the idea.
(personal opinion only, nothing official here)
-Bryan
It would be slightly less complicated IMO if the "charges used" corresponded to the spell level you'd memorize the same effect at. At least that way someone only needs to remember one "value" for, say, Destruction instead of "it takes a 7th level spell slot OR 10 charges".
Still seems more complicated than we'd want to put in, but I like the idea.
(personal opinion only, nothing official here)
-Bryan
Inaryn
Knight
Sort of, except that drop for healing/necromancy means you memorize as normal... so if you want to be able to throw that healing, you have to memorize it. BUT, you aren't pigeon-holed into *having* to memorize it since you can drop that destruction for a 35pt cure if you need to.
With the move to healing at every spell level, the healing storms, and the potential of the potency ritual, I fell like Earth has been power adjusted enough, but still needs that something shiny like wands are for Celestial. I just don't feel that a wand analog is what Earth needs.
Also, Imma say it, drop for healing is a *way* easier thing to implement than relics.
Tantarus
Knight
Hardly even necessary in 2.0, barely and inconvenience, will have tons of cloak curse, which works against death too.
Tantarus
Knight
Sounds like it gets in the way of your 2k burst pool.
Tweaking this a bit to be a bit simpler because KISS ideas are part of the reason for the redesign as I see it.
Relics come in 4 Types: Order, Chaos, Life, Death
- Charges generate slower for relics than wands, I'm not sure on the amount. Gut says somewhere between 5xp to 10xp.
- Charges may be used for:
- Order Relic:
- 1 Charge - Elemental Cleanse
- Chaos Relic:
- 1 Charge - Elemental Disease
- Life Relic:
- 1 Charge - Elemental Cure Disease
- Death Relic:
- 1 Charge - Elemental Weakness
- Order Relic:
- Enhance Relic ritual allows your relic to be used the following way:
- Charges may be used for:
- Order Relic:
- 3 Charges - Elemental Destroy Undead
- Chaos Relic:
- 3 Charges - Elemental Corrupt
- Life Relic:
- 3 Charges - Elemental Life
- Death Relic:
- 3 Charges - Elemental Destruction
- Order Relic:
1 Magic Healing?
Draven
Count
Casters lockpick, buddy!
Muir
Fighter
Honest question, how many people do you imagine are going to bother to engage with the trap system if they don't have to? Right now, it's a huge waste of time and build in many chapters, and while .10 makes that a little less true, it's not really looking all that compelling to me.