That is specifically not a legitimate solution to "is it a dwarf or a dude with a beard", though. We have a flat rule - no real beard, no playing a dude with a beard. If asking is allowed for determining the sex of a character, why shouldn't it be allowed for determining their race?Inaryn said:Easy answer... ask.
Because the rulebook makes stipulations about race due to the fact we have a whole bunch of fantasy races that don't exist in every day life. If these races actually existed, I'm sure the rulebook would word things differently. They don't, so it doesn't.jpariury said:That is specifically not a legitimate solution to "is it a dwarf or a dude with a beard", though. We have a flat rule - no real beard, no playing a dude with a beard. If asking is allowed for determining the sex of a character, why shouldn't it be allowed for determining their race?Inaryn said:Easy answer... ask.
thats one thing that would bother me, say if i get hit with a love effect, and the first girl i see is actually a dude playing an IG girl, that would make me really uncomfortable. normally this wouldn't be a problem because i would play a straight character. but with this according to the rules it would have to be That character i fall in love with... :grrr: could there be some rule inplace for this situation so that i can choose to not fall for a dude?jpariury said:The rules do distinguish between men and women in two specific instances: Love and Love 9. Both require that I fall in love with someone "of the appropriate sex". I need to know whether or not I should be writing bad poetry to Kondrick when he's the first person I see and he's got on wig, extended eyelashes, and an inch thick of rouge.
there's already a good deal of cross dressing going on though. I can pick out 10 examples off the top of my head of NPCs doing exactly this for both serious or comedic reasons. and i don't buy the "family friendly" line. that's like saying in order to be family friendly we can't have gay relationships in alliance because a new player on the fence might see two ladies pawing at each other and be offended.dreadpiratebill said:I'm going to go ahead and be the bad guy here and present an angle I think may have been over looked. Publicity.
We're already a fairly fringe subsect with a mixed immage to non LARPers. We try to promote ourselves as a fun, safe time and "family friendly" (18+ chapters non withstanding). From a publicity and game image standpoint, do we want to associate cross dressing with our organization? If someone was on the fence about becomming a new member do you think guys (or girls) in drag would be a plus or a minus in that regard. How would that look like to a parent to a prospective minor (16-17) who's comming to cheak us out before alowing their kid to come to the game?
We can say "if done tastefuly" but realy we can't. Rules have to exist for the "lowest common denominator" meaning that even tho person A might do it well and make it work, we have to be ready for person B who is going to piss someone off, and will use person A as their "but he/she gets to do it." We can't play favorites. Same reason we don't allow potentialy dangerous acrobatics. Yeah you might have 7 years experience, but numb skull 23465 who sees you and trys it will get himself killed. Rules apply to everyone equaly.
PS: I'd like to add that I personaly don't give a rats one way or the other from a gameplay standpoint. I would be concerned about potential image related concerns tho.
Evan and Chas are saying that they would be uncomfortable if, by the rules, they had to play being Loved to a male who was playing a female, ergo, they feel that players should not be allowed to play the sex opposite what they are. I disagree, but their disagreement has nothing to do with "appropriate sex".Robb Graves said:
That's a slippery slope. If special dispensation is given for that rule, then what's to stop me from asking for special dispensation for my disability? How about the next guy, and the next?Chasmania said:Actually, I'd be fine with players playing opposite sexes as long as there be something about a player being allowed to opt out of taking a Love from someone of the same OOG sex.
Robb, they are saying this.Robb Graves said:
Situations like this are, idly, why I think the love 9 effect needs to never have been introduced.Jim said:Robb, they are saying this.Robb Graves said:
Paul PC is playing a female character, Esther Elf. Evan's character then gets loved and see Esther Elf first. Esther Elf is the appropriate sex, however Paul PC is not the appropriate sex. Evan is saying he is not comfortable role-playing that. My personal thoughts on that would likely get me banned from the board.
My question to Evan would be if he would have that same level of uncomfortable feeling if the player was trans and simply playing a character who matched their gender.
JP: I hear what you are saying but I disagree that the logical conclusion for a rule about sex of characters would have to match the one about racial disguises. Also, at the end of the day transvestism is a fetish and gender identity disorder is well, a psychological disorder. If anything isn't going to be allowed, it should be transvestism.
Dreadpiratebill: Are you suggesting that we force a transgendered player to play characters that match their physical sex and not their gender for publicity's sake? If so, shame on you.
Speak for yourself. I have issues with the way Charm is worded and roleplaying it. They stem from my 'unique' way of thinking (my disability.) I do not get a pass for having a disability. Nor should anyone get a pass for Love.Mobius said:Love is almost a stand-alone in that it is a very powerful Role-Play Only effect and has no other In Game Consequences. The closest analogue is Charm, but Charm deals with neither Agape nor Eros and, as such, can be comfortably roleplayed without the deeper connotations associated with Love.