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/clapMaxondaerth said:TLDR: Logistics is a tiring job, but trust me on this guys.
/clapMaxondaerth said:TLDR: Logistics is a tiring job, but trust me on this guys.
Maxondaerth said:The coin coming from a chapter other than the one the item is issued in can be lame, I agree, but not really the topic at hand.
Here's what I see with going to a "Here's a tag for this necklace, it has a value listed on it that can only be determined if you have Merchant skill":
Pros:
1) One thing has to be printed one time, no more involvement by logistics needed until/unless someone cashes it in.
2) Players could then actually RP out Evaluating the item in real time, when someone asks them, and is not then forced to go OOG to their cabin (at best) or to Monster Camp (sucks) to get the sheet and look up the number or (worst) tell them "IG I tell you the value now, but we have to wait till Logistics to look at the list, if they even have one printed and handy".
3) Players have an easy way to remember what that merchant guy told them it was worth six months ago, instead of having to go through the processes listed in #2 all over again, thus once again breaking the mood/flow of the game.
Cons:
1) It would take a small amount of initial effort to implement it.
I have yet to see anything in this thread that really contradicts anything listed here. I am in no way saying "All logistics people suck and can't do their jobs right, so here's something more for them to do" or anything even remotely approaching that, I have done this job too many times down through the years not to know better. I would rather have to re-enact the one man undead wave battle at 5:45pm every saturday at every event I play at than have to do Logistics again for any lengthy amount of time, but I really do think this is something that's been sliding for a very long time and is one way we could improve the quality of the game with not nearly the amount of effort people seem to be thinking it would take to do.
markusdark said:At check in/logistics? Not sure when else to ask for a copy.
As for the Seattle game, last one I was at the only person who had one was... dammit, can't remember his name - the male gypsy from Andar who was at the National event as well. Had to go to him to find out what things were worth - lucky I was staying in his cabin.
jpariury said:I don't believe the Seattle/Oregon list is generated in the MI db, but rather as an excel spreadsheet.
Talen said:jpariury said:I don't believe the Seattle/Oregon/SF list is generated in the MI db, but rather as an excel spreadsheet.
Come to think, it'd be nice to have a unified list, if there was some way to get it online.
Then you'd simply DL the newest version for an event. Update it once a month, and life is good. (Assuming Logistics is on the ball in each chapter).
The hard part would be the sheer amount of initial entries and reconciling any identical Evaluate ID's. After that, it should be relatively easy.
Inaryn said:Just to be clear, the way the WC chapters do it is they have a list, and they make items with a number from the list, rather than make items and add numbers to the list. It's possible to have two completely different items with the same evaluation number that way, but since the item is the rep, all the evaluation number does is give you the cp the item is worth. It's fairly streamlined.
jwconvery said:Inaryn said:Just to be clear, the way the WC chapters do it is they have a list, and they make items with a number from the list, rather than make items and add numbers to the list. It's possible to have two completely different items with the same evaluation number that way, but since the item is the rep, all the evaluation number does is give you the cp the item is worth. It's fairly streamlined.
This is a really cool idea, if I understand it. So rather then having completely unigue ID's like Magic Items. You just put an Evalutate ID of DA35 (or whatever) and the list says that all things with DA35 are worth 5 gold. So the List is just a price conversion code sheet. Sure players could start to memorize things, but people can cheat in any system. That is a very simple way to handle it.
Nifty.
-Joe
Alavatar said:I am slightly confused ...
I am seeing several people referencing Logistics with regards to Evaluatable items. What is meant by that?
I can see using these items to pay for production or workshops since they should be treated at logistics as currency, but I hope people aren't using the skill Merchant to "sell back" these items. Merchant only allows you to get the production value of an item back and evaluatable items have no production value, just a cp value.
Alavatar said:I am slightly confused ...
I am seeing several people referencing Logistics with regards to Evaluatable items. What is meant by that?
I can see using these items to pay for production or workshops since they should be treated at logistics as currency, but I hope people aren't using the skill Merchant to "sell back" these items. Merchant only allows you to get the production value of an item back and evaluatable items have no production value, just a cp value.
There would be no substantial difference to using a 6cp gem to pay for 5cp of production value+1cp of change then selling that production item to logistics vs. just getting 6cp for the gem.Alavatar said:I hope people aren't using the skill Merchant to "sell back" these items. Merchant only allows you to get the production value of an item back and evaluatable items have no production value, just a cp value.
Dave said:Alavatar said:I am slightly confused ...
I am seeing several people referencing Logistics with regards to Evaluatable items. What is meant by that?
I can see using these items to pay for production or workshops since they should be treated at logistics as currency, but I hope people aren't using the skill Merchant to "sell back" these items. Merchant only allows you to get the production value of an item back and evaluatable items have no production value, just a cp value.
If the book does not mention that Merchants can trade in non-magical items for their IG worth then that is probably a slip in the wording of the rulebook.
ARB Page 62 said:This skill also allows the character to sell
game items (potions, scrolls, alchemical substances,
armor, weapons, and traps) to Logistics
during normal Logistics periods for their
Production Point value in game money. Items
that are not produced through the Production
Point system (components, ritual scrolls, magic
items, etc.) cannot be traded in, and must be
sold in-game.
jpariury said:There would be no substantial difference to using a 6cp gem to pay for 5cp of production value+1cp of change then selling that production item to logistics vs. just getting 6cp for the gem.Alavatar said:I hope people aren't using the skill Merchant to "sell back" these items. Merchant only allows you to get the production value of an item back and evaluatable items have no production value, just a cp value.
Maxondaerth said:Dave, I went back through and the only other "con" I really saw that was directed towards this specific idea and not just the problem in general other than "The list already works when it's there, why rock the boat?" was your point about sapping chapters for coin. While I admit this is a valid potential concern, it's already a concern with the system as-is, and how is that different than if I show up at your logistics with 100 Cause Mort potions from Ohio and Merchant on my card asking for coin, or show up with 300g worth of alchemy, sell it to your local players, then come back to Ohio with all your coin? I mean, if the 100g swan shows up and someone wants a workshop, give them a workshop and a tag for a swan worth 90g. Problem solved.
Lurin said:Maxondaerth said:Dave, I went back through and the only other "con" I really saw that was directed towards this specific idea and not just the problem in general other than "The list already works when it's there, why rock the boat?" was your point about sapping chapters for coin. While I admit this is a valid potential concern, it's already a concern with the system as-is, and how is that different than if I show up at your logistics with 100 Cause Mort potions from Ohio and Merchant on my card asking for coin, or show up with 300g worth of alchemy, sell it to your local players, then come back to Ohio with all your coin? I mean, if the 100g swan shows up and someone wants a workshop, give them a workshop and a tag for a swan worth 90g. Problem solved.
I think if I had a problem player doing something like trying to sell me 100 potions via merchant, I'll just require them to be properly repped to be accepted to at least lower my costs :mrgreen:
Lurin said:Maxondaerth said:Dave, I went back through and the only other "con" I really saw that was directed towards this specific idea and not just the problem in general other than "The list already works when it's there, why rock the boat?" was your point about sapping chapters for coin. While I admit this is a valid potential concern, it's already a concern with the system as-is, and how is that different than if I show up at your logistics with 100 Cause Mort potions from Ohio and Merchant on my card asking for coin, or show up with 300g worth of alchemy, sell it to your local players, then come back to Ohio with all your coin? I mean, if the 100g swan shows up and someone wants a workshop, give them a workshop and a tag for a swan worth 90g. Problem solved.
I think if I had a problem player doing something like trying to sell me 100 potions via merchant, I'll just require them to be properly repped to be accepted to at least lower my costs :mrgreen:
Dave said:Alavatar said:I am slightly confused ...
I am seeing several people referencing Logistics with regards to Evaluatable items. What is meant by that?
I can see using these items to pay for production or workshops since they should be treated at logistics as currency, but I hope people aren't using the skill Merchant to "sell back" these items. Merchant only allows you to get the production value of an item back and evaluatable items have no production value, just a cp value.
If the book does not mention that Merchants can trade in non-magical items for their IG worth then that is probably a slip in the wording of the rulebook.