Bin Laden Dead!
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Ithica said:
Exactly the reason why I would never do it.
Our purposes would be better served if he was forgotten. All we're doing is fueling fires of rage.
Ithica
Adept
Our purposes would be better served if he was forgotten. All we're doing is fueling fires of rage.[/quote]
Nah, gotta make an example out of him. Brag about it, show the world what has happened. Obama got right and said it as it was . "We did it, we blasted him, we dumped his body".. no more sugar coating or being afraid what "everyone else will think"....
Never forget about him, make an example out of him... " Run as long as you want, we will pursue and seek vengeance with the utmost intensity on those who greatly strike at the USA" (Then make a video game so every person who hated you can hunt you down and shoot you 30 times in the head, before dumping your mangled corpse at sea". Need to make an example out of his death. People are gonna be fueled anyway, regardless what actions USA citizens take or dont take. You really think if USA just forgets about him, Terrorist will stop trying to blow **** up? That's like saying "If you outlaw ownership of Firearms, it will make the streets safer and lower crime". As if bad guys will respect that law, Most criminals are gonna still get guns if that deems fit for their intended crime.
-Toddy
Nah, gotta make an example out of him. Brag about it, show the world what has happened. Obama got right and said it as it was . "We did it, we blasted him, we dumped his body".. no more sugar coating or being afraid what "everyone else will think"....
Never forget about him, make an example out of him... " Run as long as you want, we will pursue and seek vengeance with the utmost intensity on those who greatly strike at the USA" (Then make a video game so every person who hated you can hunt you down and shoot you 30 times in the head, before dumping your mangled corpse at sea". Need to make an example out of his death. People are gonna be fueled anyway, regardless what actions USA citizens take or dont take. You really think if USA just forgets about him, Terrorist will stop trying to blow **** up? That's like saying "If you outlaw ownership of Firearms, it will make the streets safer and lower crime". As if bad guys will respect that law, Most criminals are gonna still get guns if that deems fit for their intended crime.
-Toddy
Toddy, why do you think only Americans can be successfully motivated by revenge?
Ithica
Adept
I dont think only Americans can successfully be motivated by revenge, anyone/any country can, and many other countries have been.
I dont think Revenge is the only way to successfully motivates Americans. Americans are motivated by all sorts of things
But sometimes harsh actions create harsh circumstances. And regardless of what is said or portrayed, sometimes Revenge , in some cases, is the best motivation and drive to succeed.
This country is 200 years old. Thats a spec of time in history. Look at the world prior to. Its nothing new....
Alls im saying is,
Trying to forget something or someone of great significance wont make it go away. People love history, history has tragic times, most tragic stories have some sort of satisfactory ending.
The actions of gloating or not gloating on this particular situation will not enrage or de-motify anyone in anyway. Hatred by the terrorist was established long before this.
Nothing the World does or doesnt do, will have any impact on weather his followers will view him as a martyr or not.
And blowing this guys head off in a video game, hunting down Americas Most wanted will be very entertaining IMO.
I dont think Revenge is the only way to successfully motivates Americans. Americans are motivated by all sorts of things
But sometimes harsh actions create harsh circumstances. And regardless of what is said or portrayed, sometimes Revenge , in some cases, is the best motivation and drive to succeed.
This country is 200 years old. Thats a spec of time in history. Look at the world prior to. Its nothing new....
Alls im saying is,
Trying to forget something or someone of great significance wont make it go away. People love history, history has tragic times, most tragic stories have some sort of satisfactory ending.
The actions of gloating or not gloating on this particular situation will not enrage or de-motify anyone in anyway. Hatred by the terrorist was established long before this.
Nothing the World does or doesnt do, will have any impact on weather his followers will view him as a martyr or not.
And blowing this guys head off in a video game, hunting down Americas Most wanted will be very entertaining IMO.
Aaand here we go.
A huge amount of bin Laden's followers are motivated religiously, based on the thought that those they are fighting are less loved by god than they are. Debasing their dead, even their dead guilty of heinous crimes, provides fuel for that fire. I certainly am not arguing that Al Qaeda was ever or is now justified; terrorism isn't ever justifiable. My concern is that too many people are quite comfortable saying that our ability to hunt him or anyone else down and kill them constitutes the right to do so; that our superiority in warfare means we ourselves are not required to be just, or honest, or humane. If we believe that, if we allow ourselves to ever act as though might makes right, we are what they say we are. That they would do the same were the situation reversed is not an excuse. On the contrary. America has not been the world's dominant military for all of its 235 years. It will not be so forever. It behooves us as a people not to set a precedent we would not wish to be on the other side of.
A huge amount of bin Laden's followers are motivated religiously, based on the thought that those they are fighting are less loved by god than they are. Debasing their dead, even their dead guilty of heinous crimes, provides fuel for that fire. I certainly am not arguing that Al Qaeda was ever or is now justified; terrorism isn't ever justifiable. My concern is that too many people are quite comfortable saying that our ability to hunt him or anyone else down and kill them constitutes the right to do so; that our superiority in warfare means we ourselves are not required to be just, or honest, or humane. If we believe that, if we allow ourselves to ever act as though might makes right, we are what they say we are. That they would do the same were the situation reversed is not an excuse. On the contrary. America has not been the world's dominant military for all of its 235 years. It will not be so forever. It behooves us as a people not to set a precedent we would not wish to be on the other side of.
Ithica
Adept
I just read a yahoo article....
Anyone else find it funny that Seals have to release a statement "We thought he was going for a gun" lol... Cracks me up... So afraid of what people might think or what others might say, gotta make sure we didnt offend anyone with the way we killed him, and had proper justification to use deadly force.
Official statement: " We saw he was going for a gun, so we dumped 328rounds into his face, but we promptly buried him at sea to honor his Religious beliefs and not offend his followers, and we may have to use DNA testing to identify him now..."
Anyone else find it funny that Seals have to release a statement "We thought he was going for a gun" lol... Cracks me up... So afraid of what people might think or what others might say, gotta make sure we didnt offend anyone with the way we killed him, and had proper justification to use deadly force.
Official statement: " We saw he was going for a gun, so we dumped 328rounds into his face, but we promptly buried him at sea to honor his Religious beliefs and not offend his followers, and we may have to use DNA testing to identify him now..."
markusdark
Knight
I thought it helped to boost the morale of the troops that were unable to assail the walls of Troy.
I have to bring into question though if any of the Seals are afraid of being shot in the heel by a poisoned arrow though...
Going back Area 51, I'm assuming it's just a severely technologically advanced site. The military is always 10 years ahead of us w/ technology, and I'm assuming Area 51 is at least 30, if not more.
Also, I believe I saw that they've already done DNA testing by using the DNA on his sister.
On a slightly less related note, I was among the very few who flew on an airplane within a month of 9/11. I believe that was the only time I've ever seen an airport barely busy, and god damn it, I can't remember anything because it was like 5 in the morning. I mean that's pretty sad when you can't remember a day when an airport isn't packed.
Going back Area 51, I'm assuming it's just a severely technologically advanced site. The military is always 10 years ahead of us w/ technology, and I'm assuming Area 51 is at least 30, if not more.
Also, I believe I saw that they've already done DNA testing by using the DNA on his sister.
On a slightly less related note, I was among the very few who flew on an airplane within a month of 9/11. I believe that was the only time I've ever seen an airport barely busy, and god damn it, I can't remember anything because it was like 5 in the morning. I mean that's pretty sad when you can't remember a day when an airport isn't packed.
Ithica
Adept
Jevedor said:
Oh no you didn't! Pulled a Homer Reference .
Ummm Achillies was the "Bad guy" and Hector was the "Good guy"... Hector was defending his Army, People, and Homeland, he had 'reason' behind his fight. Not "God/Ala wills it!"
Achillies/Greeks were invaders, fighting for greed, and to expand Greece, get rid of any Army that would conflict with them controlling the Mediterranean. (And Achillies was fighting for Glory/namesake)
But it did, as said, inspire troops from Greece to fight on. Gave them hope, that one 'enemy' a feared and well known enemy, was finally, truly, without a doupt dead. Look upon this dead corpse and know what I have done.
Now consider this..
How great was it in Return of the Jedi, when the Ewoks were using the Helmets of enemies as drums. Whats not to say the heads were not under those and they decapitated them? Ewoks were primitive and showed the will to kill people earlier in scene 12 when they were gonna kill Han & Luke. Yet the Celebration was great!
Did we seriously justify making a trophy out of Bin Laden using Star Wars as a justification?
This world we live in... she is doomed.
This world we live in... she is doomed.
Star Wars is fiction, sad to say. Its very concrete good and evil message has very little place in the real world; consider that even in Star Wars the central overall story is about fall and redemption.
The piece with the Illiad is actually fairly core to my point: you may say that Hector was the good guy, and Achilles the bad: they can be, in the confines of your view of the story. Others reading it may disagree. In the end, they both wind up dead, the Greek leaders all end up murdered or spending a decade refusing to ask for directions and the Trojans lose their home and are forced to become Italian.
We live in the real world, though. Differentiations of good guys and bad guys are best left in G.I. Joe; the real world is never so cut and dry. Ask this of yourself: which is a more worthy goal, making peace with the Islamic world, or destroying it?
The piece with the Illiad is actually fairly core to my point: you may say that Hector was the good guy, and Achilles the bad: they can be, in the confines of your view of the story. Others reading it may disagree. In the end, they both wind up dead, the Greek leaders all end up murdered or spending a decade refusing to ask for directions and the Trojans lose their home and are forced to become Italian.
We live in the real world, though. Differentiations of good guys and bad guys are best left in G.I. Joe; the real world is never so cut and dry. Ask this of yourself: which is a more worthy goal, making peace with the Islamic world, or destroying it?
And before you answer.... please consider that MOST of the Islamic world is not at war with us. We are dealing with a few sects and several underground revolutionary movements that are doing awful things. Yes some of these sects and movements have political power. But, there are peaceful Muslims that want nothing more than for this to be over.
The strongest weapon we have is temperance. Every time the extremists hold a rally against us... there are people turned to their side. Youths who were on the fence.. who choose to join the war.
By refusing to live up to the radical's expectations of us we are spreading doubt amongst the potential converts. We all know the power of the media... their media spends time showing us in a negative light... do we really need to make their job EASIER?
Salman Rushdie was interviewed a while back... his recommendation for how to win the war? Air drop PS3s and Big Macs on their rural areas... show them what freedom and peace can be for them.
The strongest weapon we have is temperance. Every time the extremists hold a rally against us... there are people turned to their side. Youths who were on the fence.. who choose to join the war.
By refusing to live up to the radical's expectations of us we are spreading doubt amongst the potential converts. We all know the power of the media... their media spends time showing us in a negative light... do we really need to make their job EASIER?
Salman Rushdie was interviewed a while back... his recommendation for how to win the war? Air drop PS3s and Big Macs on their rural areas... show them what freedom and peace can be for them.
Duke Frost
Baron
RiddickDale said:
So you're for the destruction of the Muslim world? Freedom and peace are Big Macs and video games. You want to make obese couch potatoes out of them too? You're right, we are doomed.
And what are they supposed to plug their PS3s into? Their goats' butt? An estimated 79% of the third world's population does not have electricity.